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Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 1:08 pm
by mmmguitar
vjmanzo wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 10:13 am I’ve looked at other 24+ fret guitars in the past and have thought about potential mods for the Fly 😬 Seems like you really appreciate the extra real estate in the high-register!
I’ve considered this, too. Those I’ve talked to who favor 27+ fret guitars claim it’s the ease of hitting frets 20-24 resulting from the added real estate that ruins other guitars for them.

Those ESPs are sweet. I remember feeling like they’d been flying under my radar when of the stores I worked with became an ESP/II/LTD dealer. And their custom shop always had the craziest NAMM displays full of guitars that looked like Bayonetta bosses.
mumbles76 wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 9:37 am I guess the pool of people that can afford a $7500 guitar is limited.
Yep. It’ll help if/when someone lists another Fly in the range of yours. I can’t be the only one to notice that your Supreme is the most expensive listing for one ever; and I suppose the typical buyer of Flys listed for over $4k has to be considering whether they’re far enough from the inevitable ceiling in all this to still be able to resell it for profit, should it not become their pride and joy.

The $9,000 Belew listing from two weeks ago lasted twenty eight hours because a fair amount of people had been waiting since 2018 for one to pop up. Whereas this Adam D custom (the current most expensive listing, above yours) has been sitting since February because, despite being rare as hen’s teeth, the peculiarities of the model relegates it to being even more niche in appeal than a typical Fly. I’d buy it myself if a few grand was knocked off - but the seller knows they only have to wait until the one person on the fence finally talks themselves into haggling.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Fri May 27, 2022 3:18 pm
by vjmanzo
mmmguitar wrote: Fri May 27, 2022 1:08 pmthis Adam D custom has been sitting since February…
Speak of the Devil! 😈 Sold just now! 😮 IIR, it was listed February 25th at $8,500 and then reduced just a short while ago.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:50 pm
by mmmguitar
mmmguitar wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:57 am In keeping with recent trends, owners of common Flys with less-common finishes are banking their retirement on them:

Here on eBay we have a refined Deluxe in Butterscotch burst listed with a Buy Now price of $4,900, plus $100.30 for ground shipping, plus tax. At least this one includes an extra 9 spring.

5/2/22 update: Butterscotch Burst Deluxe Buy Now price decreased to $4,300 after receiving no bids.
This Butterscotch Deluxe is now down to $2780, plus import duties for buyers outside Australia.

https://reverb.com/item/55954302-parker ... ginal-case

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 9:58 am
by Patzag
mmmguitar wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:50 pm This Butterscotch Deluxe is now down to $2780, plus import duties for buyers outside Australia.

https://reverb.com/item/55954302-parker ... ginal-case
Gone, gone, gone ...

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 10:17 am
by vjmanzo
mmmguitar wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:50 pm plus import duties for buyers outside Australia
…for what it’s worth, I think there’s now no longer import duties into the U.S. when buying from Australia: https://www.cbp.gov/trade/free-trade-ag ... _entity=en

I purchased a used instrument a month ago from down unda’ and, beyond completing a declarations form and paying for shipping, neither I or the seller had to pay any additional duties or fees.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 1:54 pm
by mmmguitar
Good to know, @vjmanzo. I don’t suppose I’ll have the luck of catching an Australian listing for a Belew, pre-2011 Artist, or DF842 - but if I do, I’ll be further tempted.

For the moment, someone in the contiguous US has a chance of getting this ‘94 hardtail deluxe for around $2k once the auction closes.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/225008538581?h ... SwdQhik8Ig

6/5/22 update: Black '94 Hardtail Deluxe ended up selling for $2150, after three last minute bids.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:11 pm
by mmmguitar
The “world’s biggest Parker collector” is reselling this ‘04 Mojo Flame with a neck chip near the 14th fret, previously sold here:

https://reverb.com/item/55475579-parker ... _sold=true

for a price superficially discounted from its 50% markup, minus its hardshell case and spare spring, with zero repairs or investment, here:

https://reverb.com/item/55992427-parker ... case-candy

https://www.ebay.com/itm/155023056105?h ... Swxkhimp0n

I was initially concerned that this was Shrectacular’s '06 Mojo Flame with the busted truss rod and piezo issue being flipped without the issues disclosed. Fortunately, no such shenanigans seem to be afoot (aside from the obvious bits).

For those of you itching to buy a Mojo in need of a chip repair, note that this being the only listing at the moment does not translate to being a fair price for a guitar in this condition. Do your diligence and search sold listings to get an accurate sense of whether a guitar is a good deal, if it’s being sold in need of repairs ranging from minor to specialist, or if a listing is intended to take advantage of impulse-buyers.

Update: It seems someone bought the guitar on Reverb the next day. Let’s see if anyone shows up in a week to ask about filling a neck chip and balancing the trem with the wrong gauge of spring installed. :cry:

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2022 12:51 am
by mmmguitar
mmmguitar wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2022 10:50 pm
mmmguitar wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:57 am Here on eBay we have a refined Deluxe in Butterscotch burst listed with a Buy Now price of $4,900, plus $100.30 for ground shipping, plus tax. At least this one includes an extra 9 spring.

5/2/22 update: Butterscotch Burst Deluxe Buy Now price decreased to $4,300 after receiving no bids.
This Butterscotch Deluxe is now down to $2780

https://reverb.com/item/55954302-parker ... ginal-case
Back up again for $2,580. I don’t know if there’s anything fishy with the last three listings’ seller accounts changing their locations from Australia to US.

https://reverb.com/item/56190378-parker ... ginal-case

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:11 pm
by mmmguitar
Someone has around nineteen hours left to score a ‘94 Deluxe for around $2k.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175310865835

Update: Made it all the way up to $2,961.50+tax, after five bids.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:17 pm
by mmmguitar
This ‘98 Artist with hard case, bar, spare spring and manual can be yours for a bit over $4k, after tax. Too rich for my blood, but nonetheless a more realistic price than what some have felt their Artists and Supremes were worth this year. Just two years ago, you could find Artists for under $2k (prior to the most recent guitar boom that coincided with Reverb taxing private transactions of secondhand goods between individuals in a non-retail capacity for their own good).

https://reverb.com/item/5415673-parker-fly-artist
https://reverb.com/item/42492867-parker ... _sold=true
https://reverb.com/item/1152028-1999-pr ... ody-w-ohsc

I also wanted to point out how the second listing linked there is the same guitar as the first listing: The guy bought the guitar from Sam Ash and decided to flip it (with the Sam Ash listing photos) at a price that would ease Reverb fees - Yet, somehow, it didn’t occur to him that he should try to flip it for four times what he had just paid; in the fashion that recent Parker “enthusiasts” have ostensibly felt is their divine right while doing a “raise the roof” dance.

Update: The ‘98 Artist listing was live for only a few hours before selling.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:48 pm
by vjmanzo
mmmguitar wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:17 pm ...prior to the most recent guitar boom that coincided with Reverb taxing private transactions of secondhand goods between individuals in a non-retail capacity for their own good...
mmmguitar wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:17 pm ...in the fashion that recent Parker “enthusiasts” have ostensibly felt is their divine right while doing a “raise the roof” dance.
Marc, man—nobody tops your flare for writing! :lol: I would literally listen to your "What's This Worth: Fly Edition" podcast all day long!! :P

Yeah, that is one good-looking Artist! :o Thanks for posting it, even if it's just for me to drool over! :P I'm curious if it'll sell at that price...

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:28 pm
by mmmguitar
I just try to amuse myself. Thanks for encouraging yet another of my bad habits.
vjmanzo wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:48 pm Yeah, that is one good-looking Artist! :o Thanks for posting it, even if it's just for me to drool over! :P I'm curious if it'll sell at that price...
I may make an offer on it [update: sold a few hours after I said that]. After a very busy June, I have one or two guitars I think I can make time to sell this week; and buying another Fly might finally ease the sting I’ve felt since missing out on that Belew I feebly reached toward as it passed overhead :x .

This (I assume ‘94) Hardtail Deluxe has been sitting for a bit north of $2K. I’m not 100% certain as to whether it’s the same “04” we had a member post a while back. I’ve been tempted to make an offer just so I can mutilate it with a Kahler like Pat did with his chromeboy.

Update: Hardtail sold after four offers.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:00 pm
by mmmguitar
Did anyone else notice the eBay auction for the white ‘98 Deluxe in Berlin by a user named something like “orientalseller”? eBay seems to have removed the listing. The 0% feedback for the seller and multitude of low bids struck me as suspicious; so I made a low bid as well. 36 bids later, and my bid was still the highest at the time eBay deleted the page. Just posting this in case a clone of the listing pops up - It seems too good to be true.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2022 10:02 am
by vjmanzo
mmmguitar wrote: Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:28 pm sold a few hours after...
I noticed that! Three offers...I really wish Reverb was transparent about the actual selling price. :|
mmmguitar wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:00 pm Just posting this in case a clone of the listing pops up - It seems too good to be true.
Yes, I did notice that listing and have noticed suspicious listings like that in the past—glad that eBay has people to look out for this stuff.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:09 am
by vjmanzo
So, it looks like the going asking price on Reverb is back firmly north of $3k. 🧐

Unrelated note: I got a notification that a seller named V from NY was selling a green Deluxe that looks just like mine and I got a quick twinge of panic! 😀

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:02 pm
by mmmguitar
Selling guitars in our sleep, are we?

vjmanzo wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:09 amit looks like the going asking price on Reverb is back firmly north of $3k. 🧐
Yep. However, they’ve been sitting at those prices after the listings under $3k sold. Note that our new member’s gold Deluxe with a couple of correctable issues has been sitting at just north of $2k, despite the invitation to haggle and being listed on essentially every site. I suspect folks are getting pickier about the listed condition of these guitars; and only willing to splurge if it’s a color or SKU that doesn’t pop up as often as a Deluxe or Classic (of which we generally see at least four listings of each, in the same few colors, and more often than not with downplayed issues or missing accessories that were sold off by a previous owner).

NiteFly sellers have been trying to get up into Fly price ranges for more than a year (there are a number of $2k+ listings on eBay at the moment), yet the competing listings on Reverb have (at the time of this posting) brought four of them down to around $1200 (much closer to what they sold for when new).

There was a Joe Bonamassa interview a few years ago in which he announced that he finally had enough great-sounding modern amps (both reproductions and signature reproductions, as well as studio tools such as the Axe Fx and Kemper) that it was time to start selling off a lot of the vintage gear he had been hoarding since he was a teenager - But it was going to take years to offload them at a trickle rate because, otherwise, he would quickly oversaturate that niche market and devalue his own amps with competition from others in his collection.

Not to be a stormcrow, but it won’t exactly be a surprise if an impending economic depression in the US ends the guitar industry boom that began in 2020 after supply chain disruption, increased online window-shopping during lockdown, and desire by sellers to recoup increased Reverb expenses began creating bubbles in the used market.

In that event, I expect to recognize many of the guitars I observed sold in the last two years popping up two or three at a time, then sitting alongside the previous week’s competing listings.

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:40 pm
by vjmanzo
mmmguitar wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:02 pm Selling guitars in our sleep, are we?
🤣
mmmguitar wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:02 pm …it won’t exactly be a surprise if an impending economic depression in the US ends the guitar industry boom that began in 2020 after supply chain disruption, increased online window-shopping during lockdown, and desire by sellers to recoup increased Reverb expenses began creating bubbles in the used market.
Oh yeah! To me, that does seem likely! The government’s approach to curbing inflation is already in motion. 😬

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:48 pm
by mmmguitar
https://reverb.com/item/57147082-parker ... ucent-blue

This is more of what I’m talking about: Here’s a seller who, bless him, saw the group of $1200 NiteFly listings and decided his just had to be worth double that. And if it’s still there in a month - after the more realistically priced NiteFlys have sold - someone’s going to see it and go “WOAH! NITEFLY VALUES ARE THROUGH THE ROOF, NOW...MY P36 MUST BE WORTH AT LEAST A GRAND.”

Re: “What’s This Worth?” Thread

Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:00 pm
by BMA_USA
I track a lot of non-guitar collectibles markets and none of this behavior surprises me. I do think the Fed handing out essentially free money for a decade fueled a ton of this, but even with rate hikes and asset prices coming back to reality, my feeling is that we've attained a new level of online flip-scammer that's not going away anytime soon. I don't know if you all follow retro video games, but the thing Joe Bonamassa was saying (joking I think) about leaking his collection out slowly to manipulate prices is exactly what's been accused by a game grading company and auction houses.

https://kotaku.com/youtuber-accuses-mil ... 1847557296

Have you guys seen what's happening with Rolex watches? It's nearly impossible to get one from an authorized dealer at retail price and has been for quite a long time. Almost all of the new inventory surfaces on the gray market at 2x to 3x retail, and :spoiler: many of those sellers are people I wouldn't buy a stick of gum from. The sneaker trade is even dirtier and has been going on for even longer. So while the guitar market is certainly way worse than it used to be, it's nowhere near the worst I've personally seen or dealt with. At least not yet anyway.