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Having had licensed and an original Floyd, I have to say the (Ibanez) ZR is my favourite.
Easy to set up, smooth and reliable. The ZPS makes it much faster to change things on the fly as well.
I can go nuts on it and it stays in tune (perhaps not Vai nuts though).

Now, I don’t know someone crazy enough to install one on a Fly.

In the meantime the original Fly vibrato will have to do…
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+1 to those ZPS and Zero Resistance trem thoughts, as well. If only those had been sold separately (in an “aftermarket hardware” capacity, anyway), modern players would think twice about hardened steel knife edges. I’m still bummed about Strandberg switching their trems from bearings to knife edges in 2018, and you have to buy a $3k+ guitar to go with the Vigier Floyd that pivots on bearings.
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mmmguitar wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 2:10 pm +1 to those ZPS and Zero Resistance trem thoughts, as well. If only those had been sold separately (in an “aftermarket hardware” capacity, anyway), modern players would think twice about hardened steel knife edges. I’m still bummed about Strandberg switching their trems from bearings to knife edges in 2018, and you have to buy a $3k+ guitar to go with the Vigier Floyd that pivots on bearings.
The Vigier are imports only as well. Very pricey as you point out.

I don’t know what the patent issue that had Ibanez pull the ZR out of guitars, but hopefully they will be able to bring it back down the line.
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Let’s hope so. But the example Gibson’s been setting with sitting on the TransTrem since the 90s is a bit discouraging.
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mmmguitar wrote: Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:50 pm Let’s hope so. But the example Gibson’s been setting with sitting on the TransTrem since the 90s is a bit discouraging.
Could you imagine a Fly with a Transtrem (the original one)? Now that would be far-fetched…but interesting for sure (would most likely need to be a Nitefly).

Heard the original Transtrems are much harder to maintain than pretty much any other system (long-term, that is).

It’s too bad the vibrato systems have dipped in popularity so much. It was to be expected, but many companies went overboard. Some should still keep working on refining the design of the double-locking trem. I thought a ball-bearing system was a great start.

The original Floyd Rose may offer stability, but boy does that design show its age or what. Not very fun to fiddle with screwdrivers and Allen keys each time you need to make a change. No wonder why so many players (especially newer ones) avoid it like the plague.
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I too want that chrome fly guitar

Funny how the Floyd bridges seem to boast that they are a relic of the past, using the same design as 40 years ago.
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I even remember EVH referring to Floyd Rose himself as a numbnut! Lol

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mmmguitar wrote: Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:29 pm For the record, I want that guitar.
Jesuschristthat'sgorgeous! Yes, I have to say, that's a stunner. Where did it go?

I DO agree though, a proper pre-refined is all I need. And this thermos...
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I agree. That is one awesome guitar!!
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Voice Of Reason wrote: Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:19 am I even remember EVH referring to Floyd Rose himself as a numbnut! Lol

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Just joined this group and desperately in need to number 10 springs. So looking forward to this becoming a reality
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I may have a 10 to trade for a 9. Lmk.
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DavidE wrote: Sat May 21, 2022 6:28 am Um, what are these?

https://reverb.com/item/55282114-parker ... 2022-black
Per the seller page: “I used to run the Parker production facility and am trying to offer Parker enthusiasts and owners accurate reproductions of, or newly manufactured parts from original suppliers.”

Elaboration in the FB group (click for full size):

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Being as I’m not hurting for “untempered” springs, $85+tax reaffirms that I’ll wait and check out VJ’s re-engineered product. I get that the price is intended to both recoup and discourage certain individuals from fantasizing about flipping a bulk order, but I’ll just continue trading gauges straight across if I end up needing more in the meantime.
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Thanks for the context, Marc. The “2022” written on them and the seller’s lack of any sales feedback looked suspect to me.
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I ordered a 9 and a 10 to be safe. We've been waiting on others for MANY years.
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I'm just naturally skeptical about these things. I thought there was a seller a year or two ago already claiming to have the 'last stock of springs' from Parker? Now someone shows up with the most popular sizes? And the description clearly says these are untempered (ie, not OEM), so they could snap.

I'm not a material engineer but I would assume tempering the steel would be required to prevent deforming over time. And it was probably a deliberate, controlled process to achieve the desired properties.
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FWIW I think @Terry Atkins is saying that he had some stock of springs that were stamped but not tempered for all these years, but that he now used his former connection with Parker to ask Excel Spring Co to temper what he had in stock.
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mark74 wrote: Sun May 22, 2022 5:09 am I'm just naturally skeptical about these things. I thought there was a seller a year or two ago already claiming to have the 'last stock of springs' from Parker? Now someone shows up with the most popular sizes? And the description clearly says these are untempered (ie, not OEM), so they could snap.

I'm not a material engineer but I would assume tempering the steel would be required to prevent deforming over time. And it was probably a deliberate, controlled process to achieve the desired properties.
You're misreading it. Billy said the springs were made some years ago but were never tempered. He got the company to temper them and bought all they had to sell to Parker owners. Billy used to run the Parker division after the sale at some point, so he knew the people at the company and they knew him.
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