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Man I legit loose sleep at night over my poor fly spring and all the abuse I give it on the daily. But I can't bring myself to stop using it, so I just flirt with disaster every time I whap that bar for a flutter.
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Musikron wrote: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:07 am Man I legit loose sleep at night over my poor fly spring...
Don't lose sleep over that, m'friend! Part of the analysis we've been doing has resulted in some early takeaways about Fly springs; one of which is regarding how they break. Here's an early screenshot from our simulation environment:
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We now have a good understanding about how Fly springs tend to break and what happens to them as they approach this state. There are some general "warning signs" we can talk about more concretely later and we're developing a better assessment tool, but for now, this seems to be the guiding principle about assessing the state of your spring's lifecycle:
if your Fly spring is able to float properly (as per this guide; including retain pitch when step-stop is up/down) then your spring is okay.

The springs develop microscopic holes over time and eventually will fail, but, first, they'll begin to be less "springy". Of course, aggressive bending can break even a good Fly spring...we're working to engineer that out to some degree and determine an actual usage cycle so players will know more transparently when they should change their springs! :shock: More on that in time!

I'd like to also say that it is very unlikely that a spring will break in such a way where it will shoot through the top of the guitar. It's not impossible apparently, but it's not at all likely.
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We truly appreciate that @vjmanzo, now, I was trying to find a workaround for this problem. Do you think a trem stabilizer modification or adaption could work for this? At least at the Bend down only position ? Just throwing out ideas
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Thanks, @alfonsobarrios. I think something like that could fit, but it would require you to remove some of the Fly vibrato parts and get a little creative with how it actually works. I use the Tremol-no on my NiteFly (just my personal preference for a hardtail) and it looks like this:
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The important thing to note is how the Tremol-no claw screws into the body and how it clamps the bridge--these two aspects of the NiteFly vibrato bridge are different on a Fly vibrato bridge, so a Tremol-no/Stablizer type of device probably still won't solve the "spring" problem, unfortunately, and probably not to a satisfactory degree.
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So based on that image, it looks like the stress is the red areas? I'm going to paint my spring green and will report back :lol:
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mark74 wrote: Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:51 pm So based on that image, it looks like the stress is the red areas? I'm going to paint my spring green and will report back :lol:
Full report coming soon, but yes, red shows increased stress in certain aspects of the application and, yes, absolutely you are correct: painting your spring green will reduce tension overall!! :lol:
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Hi everyone,

I wonder if there are any updates? I know as @vjmanzo replied, they are making the very best to come out with a improved design, just wanted to let my know, personally, I'm Ok with any functional design for 9 or 10's, if I have to change it every other year or so I wouldn't mind, as long as they are available, I thought about saying this cause maybe it is the same for many Parker guitar owners, if you have a prototype or something we could try while you come up with the better design I would be up for that. Sorry about being so insistent, I'm desesperante about the spring thing, I truly appreciate your efforts.
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alfonsobarrios wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:04 am Hi everyone, I wonder if there are any updates?
I’m unaware of any being shared in the time since VJ answered this same question last week. I don’t know if anyone’s gotten an update from Mike G since December, but that was the last I had heard from him. Based on what’s been shared on this site so far, VJ doesn’t seem the type to forget or otherwise neglect to share important developments with us as they occur. I had a 10 spring break as well, but I also recognize that a sense of desperation will only result in the wait for good news passing more slowly.
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mmmguitar wrote: Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:28 am VJ doesn’t seem the type to forget or otherwise neglect to share important developments with us as they occur.
Remember that scene in Lord of the Rings when they light those torch beacons all across Middle-earth? We’ll do that once the springs are available! 😀
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Sounds great! I apologize, I'm desesperate as you can tell. I'll be patient and wait for news, thanks!!
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